First, let me apologize for being absent for so long. I have been long overdue for another post, and MarxistMax’s post on Islam gave me the kick in the ass I needed to make one.
“I maintain that the invasion of Afghanistan was and is justified. But the war to topple Saddam Hussein remains a token of destructive idiocy which achieved nothing. We set an entire nation against us, on the basis of self-preservation from WMDs that have still not been found. There have been 461,000 deaths in Iraq since we arrived in 2003, directly attributed to the violence.”
Actually, the War in Iraq accomplished quite a bit, depending on who you talk to. To you and myself, it didn’t accomplish anything, but to Dick Cheney and Halliburton, it was billions in government contracts to repair the damage caused by the war, and millions in oil reserves. The war was, primarily, an effort to keep American markets open in the Middle East. I am sorry to beat a dead horse, Max, but if the doctrines of protectionism rings true, that is, the idea that importation impoverishes a country and exportation enriches a country, then this kind of behavior is entirely justified.
Fortunately, the doctrines of Protectionism are false, and this behavior is some of the most repulsive known to man, despite how accepted it is.
“The 9/11 attacks inspired a culture of fear, paranoia and intolerance. The terrorists attacks that have come since then have painted the Islamic community of Britain as a rotten apple, filled to the brim with murderers, extremists and child traffickers. I have never believed this to be the case. Owing to a multitude of factors, social, economic, historical and cultural, the Islamic community has perhaps found it the hardest of all to assimilate into British culture. Due to differences in wealth between adherent nations of Christianity and Islam, there is more reluctance to deviate from scripture.”
Differences in wealth will not convince a Muslim to deviate from Scripture. Period. No Muslim will deviate from the Qur’an. The Qur’an explicitly condemns this kind of behavior.
“Tommy Robinson and EDL represent a solid core of resentment and ignorance about Muslims, which is spreading through the British working class with dangerous speed. It developed after 9/11, and the twelve years of ‘The War on Terror’ have seen it grow into a cancer. Tommy’s recent decision to jump ship to Quilliam has left many puzzled, not least myself. That man continues to be an enigma to the world.”
Tommy Robinson, not even his real name by the way, got his ass kicked well enough to where nothing he says or does should matter at this point. Here’s the video.
“Tommy Robinson accuses the Qur’an itself of condoning sex-trafficking, FGM and the killing of infidels and homosexuals. But both the Bible and the Qur’an were written for a different age. The question remains one of dogmatism. Most Christians are taught to screen out pieces of scripture which condone awful things, and most Muslim do as well. The only difference between us is that dogmatism is slightly higher within Muslim ranks, that is all. And as I’ve said before, that small difference is owing to the fact that most Muslim countries are less developed than the West.”
Tommy Robinson is full of it. The only time Homosexuals are mentioned in the Qur’an is to condemn the act as a sin, and to recite the story of Sodom. The Qur’an does not condone killing homosexuals, and the Qur’an doesn’t mention FGM (Female Genital Mutualization) at all. In fact, as Mustafa Akyol points out in his brilliant book, FGM is an African Tradition that predates Islam by no less than 1,000 years, and is still practiced today in Ethiopia, which is a Christian majority. Muslims do not screen out the “harsh” parts of the Qur’an, instead they interpret them differently. For example, Surah 9:5 says:
“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.”
While those in the EDL interpret this as an aggressive front against all non-Muslims, the Muslim interprets this as a commandment to be followed during a defensive war, and indeed the Muslim has the correct interpretation.
I’ve been trying to interact with Muslims for quite a while now, but everytime I have, I’ve managed to offend them more than anything.
Why? Whenever I have actually tried to have a civil discussion with a Muslim, I’ve never been disrespectful. I simply stated the facts as I understand them. What makes this even more baffling for me is that in my interactions, I’ve never contested the core Islamic position; namely, that the Qur’an is the pure word of God Almighty and Muhammed is his messenger.
What I have contested however (respectfully when the situation allows for it) is the authenticity of the Hadiths; the sayings and doings of the Prophet Muhammed. What I have found is quite startling; if you contest the idea that the Qur’an is the Word of God, the vast majority of Muslims are willing to debate you, but if you contest the authenticity of the Hadiths, the majority of Muslims are driven into rage and want nothing to do with you.
Why do I hold the position that the Hadiths are illegitimate? For one thing, the Hadiths were never recorded until 200 years after Muhammed died, and were based entirely on hearsay. Secondly, it is historical fact that practically everyone was forging Hadiths. The politicians as well as Islamic scholars in official positions were forging Hadiths to justify their politicial/social agendas, and the people were forgings Hadiths for their own self-interest. Take for example the Hadith that says, “Eating flour cookies makes man stronger.” It is no coincidence that the man who put this Hadith to the public was a merchant who was selling flour cookies.
The forging of Hadiths got to be so bad that even the staunchest supporter of Hadith had to admit that this was a problem. So, the government gathered a group of scholars to seperate the false Hadiths from the authentic ones (while reserving the exclusive privilege to do this mind you). In fact, Al-Buhkari, considered by many to be one of the most authentic sources for Hadith, was said to have chosen some ~2,000 hadiths from a pool of ~300,000.
Supporters of Hadith usually say, “Yeah but Al-Buhkari said that there was so many authentic Hadiths that he couldn’t possibly document them all.” Ok, but that raises the question, “If there were indeed so many authentic Hadiths that you couldn’t possibly document them all, why document them in the first place? Why not instead give the people a way to spot inauthentic Hadiths from the authentic Hadiths?”
It’s quite obvious why. Had they done such a thing, they would’ve severely limited themselves with regards to how they could exploit Hadith to support their agendas. Instead, they merely compiled a bunch of Hadiths to give themselves as much leeway as possible while at the same time appeasing the traditionalist who supports the idea of following Hadith.
To put it bluntly, Al-Buhkari was lying through his teeth when he said that there are so many authentic Hadiths.
The accusation that Muhammed was a pedophile because he married a 6 year old girl and consumated the marriage when the girl was 9 years old is based in Hadith.
Also based in Hadith is the idea that there is prostitution in Islam; supposedly, when at jihad, you’re able to enter into a temporary marriage by giving a woman a piece of clothing. The critics of Islam have rightly called this prostition, but because the Muslim cannot deny the source for religious reasons, he must accept the information as valid and he must defend his religion from a position of severe disadvantage. It is thus no surprise that the Muslim, when confronted with these criticisms, always loses the debate.
Instead of denouncing the source as nothing more than a hypocritical Imam’s justification for engaging in these things, the Muslim is told from his induction into Islam that he must uphold these Hadiths and these scholars in high regard.
I for one say, “May these scholars be thrown into the dust-bin of history and their names forgotten!”